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After performing some calculations, it's obvious that in the long run online casino edge in craps is almost 3%. This value is true if craps online players follow this system. In case Filed bets are paid 1 to 1, casino edge almost reaches 4%. Unbeatable Iron Cross 'Iron Cross' casino craps strategy has another variation called 'Unbeatable Iron. For the benefit of other readers, the 5-Count is a method of slow-playing craps, as discussed in ’Golden Touch Dice Control Revolution’ by Frank Scoblete and Dominator. As the book states, it is a way of betting nothing on some rolls, reducing your expected loss on random shooters, while still getting the full comp value of table time. Best Low Roller Craps System is a craps strategy using a pass line bet and then placing either 3, 2, or 1x odds on the point depending on the number. The ‘5 Count Craps Strategy’ was initially developed by Dr. Don Catlin, Professor Emeritus of Mathematics at the University of Massachusetts and was later given prominence by Frank Scoblete, a professional craps player.The 5-Count Strategy is used on random rollers at the craps table to ‘qualify the shooter’ to determine if you’re going to place.

superrick
You have to realize that the five count is nothing more then a sales gimmick, meant to booster sales of Frank's craps school. It does absolutely nothing for you, now he can throw up all the numbers he wants to, and show you all the percentages. But the truth of the matter is, every time there's a new shooter there is no way of telling if they are going to get past two rolls the dice!
Basically you are using a mechanical system that has no way a telling if the shooter will make it past six roll the dice! Then you have to also look at, the math of the game, which says most players will never get pass eight rolls of the dice!
People that are trying to sell you something love to confuse you with facts and figures, the only problem is, they leave out the most important ones! Like most people never make it pass eight the dice!
What they managed to do with just five count was, piss off every casino there is, with players waiting five rolls of the dice before they make their first bet, you have to remember that casinos make their money off of rolls per hour. The way they look at it is, if you're standing there and not betting you are costing them money!
Just imagine when a school parades all of their students into one casino and they take over the tables and using the five count that they just learned. If you've ever been in Vegas and had the misfortune of being at a craps table when they descended on it like a swarm of locusts playing musical shooters as they swapped out shooters in SL1 and all of them using the five count, you could see why a casino wouldn't want any so-called DI's playing on their tables!
These schools love to use the gimmick of having all of their students taking over a table, and trying to put on a show, it's nothing more then a advertising gimmick for them. Sometimes one of their students do manage to get on a roll, and it might sell someone else on taken their class.
You have to remember, if they all are losing you wouldn't even notice them at the table, they would all be standing there, with sad little faces and empty chip racks! There would be no screaming and shouting!
Don't kid yourself into using a five count, evaluate the players that you want to bet on, don't let a mechanical system do it for you. After all,.. By now everybody should know that systems do not work!
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MrV
The five count is harmless, I see nothing inherently 'wrong' with it.
Conceptually, it seems to achieve its goal of avoiding early PSO's, if only because the player is out of action during the early part of a roll.
Of course, it does nothing to increase a player's odds of winning: that is the important thing to remember.
All craps players have an approach to the game, a method of play; whether you start every shoot by betting $160 across, or $10 don't pass, we must all choose SOME way of betting, and that's all the five count is: an arbitrary method of play.
Me, I prefer to place six and eight and progress and spread out a bit if a roll heats up; Frank prefers the five count.
We each handle the reality of craps in our own way.
FrankScoblete
Now, now supperick, the 5-Count came 12 years before I ever taught a dice control class.
Dicenor33
On my last visit to Hollywood casino in Columbus, Oh, I witnessed three tables packed with players, most bet with full odds and across. Some people won $500-3000. They came to gamble, not to save hard earned money. Really, what's point to travel across the country if you go to Vegas and try to save. You can do it by collecting coupons, when shopping at your local grocery.
mustangsally

Frank prefers the five count.
We each handle the reality of craps in our own way.

Frank also wants to be noticed as the one that introduced the Captain's 5 Count to the world.
That must make him feel real good.
In this video

he says at 4:52
'the five-count is the only shooter selection system
that has been proven to work in a massive study of 200 million shooters'
Well, move over 5 Count, you ain't the only one. Others work as well or even better.
I have shown two other systems that do actually better than the 5 count.
The Alan 4 count and run and
the 6 roll count and bet
It also says this on youtube
'The 5-Count will save you money, get you in on long rolls and help you get more comps.'
In an earlier post I showed that there are no such things as long rolls.
That is included in the length of a shooters hand probability distribution.
All short and long rolls are included in that distribution.
Here is another article that comes to a wrong conclusion over at Golden Touch Craps
The 7 count because the 5 count may be too hard to count.
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http://www.goldentouchcraps.com/skinny0006.shtml
'We know from another of Dr. Catlin's studies 57% of random shooters do not make it past the 5-count.'
This is NOT true. another misunderstanding of simulation data.
I and SN Ethier calculated that the 5 count
probability achieve the 5-count = 0.513626686 or about 51.4%
So about 48.6% of random shooters do not make it past the 5-count
What the 5 count actually does is bet on *less rolls on average per shooter*
proportion of rolls bet on = 0.434930249 or about 43.5% meaning on average 56.5% of rolls are not bet on.
Not 57% of shooters are not being bet on.
Of course it is very possible using the 5 count that the very next 5 shooters will all fail to make it past the 5 count.
such is the nature of random events.

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I show the stats on the X-roll count and bet system in another post for those so interested.
The 6 roll count (then bet) and the Alan 4 count (and stop betting until next shooter)
has a lower expected loss per shooter than does the 5 Count. (making the same $ bets and type of bets)
now more choices (shooter selection system) betting on random rollers.
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eclectic
Sally, can you point me to the discussion about the Allan 4 count and the 6 roll count method you mention in your above post?
Thank you.
DeMango

Sally, can you point me to the discussion about the Allan 4 count and the 6 roll count method you mention in your above post?
Thank you.


That is a great post that Sally wrote. You should read it. But to summarize, if you stay out of craps action for 4,5,6 or any number of rolls, you will lose less money. You will not win, you will simply lose less.
But the original post by SuperRick says about the same thing. Read that also.
When a rock is thrown into a pack of dogs, the one that yells the loudest is the one who got hit.
pingclassic
Im not sure what to think about the 5 count, but I do know that it seems every roll that starts out with lots of craps rolls (3,3,11,2) very very seldom turn out to good rolls!
Good judgment comes from experience, and a lot of that comes from bad judgment...<Will Rogers>
eclectic
Tks! much for your efforts and response DeMango. I just also found this on a previous page.
http://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/craps/14166-5-count/
Here's my dilemma or perhaps lack of understanding on these stats.
Alan's 4 Count. I can't find it now but I thought that somewhere the Wizard come up with 3.2 as the ______________number of rolls?
Meanwhile there is this article showing 3.37 rolls.
https://www.dicecoach.com/articlearch.asp?ID=47
So, wouldn't you be at risk waiting for those 4 rolls? And since the Wizard/Catlin came up with 8.53 as the average number of rolls wouldn't the shooter also be at risk by betting after 6 rolls; or especially the 8th as shown here?
http://www.goldentouchcraps.com/article.php?p=skinny0006.html
Why not wait for the 9th roll? I know it looks kinda long in the tooth, but.......
Tks for any feedback.
pingclassic
I GOT IT!!! 3 MINUTE ABBS....
Good judgment comes from experience, and a lot of that comes from bad judgment...<Will Rogers>

There are various betting strategy and systems used in Craps gambling. The biggest fallacy is that using systems swings the odds in your favour. In the Casino game of Craps (Bank Craps) all the bets are in the house’s favour. Although you can place large Free Odds bets to insure your losses and reduce the house’s edge, this also reduces the amount you can win. Remember that to place Free Odds bets (0% house edge) you need to have placed a Pass/Don’t Pass Line bet, meaning the overall odds are still negative value.

The Paroli System

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This is my favourite system for Craps. It is a positive progressive betting system where you increase your bets after winning, but decrease your bets when you lose. The advantage is that is never forces you to wager more money than your starting bet.

BetOutcomeNet Win
$5Win$5
$10Win$15
$20Win$35

The Martingale System

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This is the system most players are familiar with. It involves placing 50/50 bets in craps such as the Pass Line/Don’t Pass. When you lose, you double your wager next time. E.g. lose $5, bet $10.
The Martingal system is very dangerous however. Just like doubling up in Blackjack, you can end up making massive wagers after just a few losses. On average, every 4 hours you’ll lose 9 coin flips in a row. This equates to making a $1,280 wager from starting at $5 and losing 9 times.

The Iron Cross Betting System

The Iron Cross system isn’t really it a system at all. It involves placing a series of specific Free Odds and Field bets so that the House edge is minimised. It works by placing a field bet and a bet on the numbers 5, 6 and 8. (The field bet pays 1:1 when the dice lands on a 3,4,9,10,11 and 2:1 on 2 or 12). Basically you win on any number other than 7, meaning you win 80% of the time.

The problem with this system is that it isn’t technically profitable. Although you’re guaranteed to win 80% of the time, you lose all of your bets if the dice rolls a 7 which means the house maintains an edge of about 4% overall.

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The Twelve-Dollar 6 and 8 System in Craps

Let’s wrap up the systems to use by giving you one that I believe everybody should adopt. It is based on the following truths:

  1. Most craps players like to bet “right”
  2. Most right players (90 percent) prefer the 6 and 8 as their place numbers
  3. Most players in a casino have restricted bankrolls

That last statement means that the average bankroll for 80 percent of all players is approximately $300. That is a lot of money in the real world, but small by the standards of playing tables with $5 minimums.

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When you break that $300 into sessions, and you should – you know that by now – you have $100 to bring to battle. When you set a loss limit at 50 percent, as you also should, it’s obvious you’re restricted as to the moves you can make, but that happens to be the reality of gambling.

You know all the pluses for this play, so let’s go over the negatives:

  1. You aren’t going to buy that yacht you had your heart set on from these winnings
  2. You aren’t going to retire at age twenty-six with a million dollars in the bank
  3. You aren’t going to be hailed as the most aggressive player who ever stepped up to a table

Finally, a few reminders:

  1. Chart the tables to find a game kicking off 6s and 8s
  2. Set loss limits (no more than 50 percent)
  3. Restrict your losing series to three in succession
  4. Accept small returns

If every single, solitary craps player in the world used this system in the casinos for one month, I wonder what the casinos would do. Try it, you’ll see. You can do so with a $22 NO DEPOSIT Bonus From SlotsLV Casino – CLICK HERE

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